CBC's The National actually talks about something useful for once!
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Posted by: Ihavenoname ®

10/04/2023, 03:04:33

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/artificial-intelligence-jobs-careers-training-panle-the-national-1.6978515

Is AI coming for your job? People think so and are worried. I just watched a segment of Canada's most liberal media, The National. Surprisingly, they did a debate with four people on an issue facing many today: the fear of artificial intelligence replacing workers.

Two on each side are either for or against AI. The people for AI (both CEOs of a company) said it will be used one way or the other. The other side against it expressed concerns that it will replace their jobs and not be a genuine substitute for human creativity. Of course, the ones against AI don't want to lose their jobs. Neither would I!

I see a point from both sides. I guess I'll have to man up and learn AI (along with other skills). Reality hits hard, but I think I'll find a way to adapt. Nothing is forever!






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IMO, AI will impact jobs similar to how computers did, but in a much smaller way.
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Posted by: robertb ®

10/05/2023, 23:01:22

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Some jobs will go away. For example, customer support jobs will be reduced. As the AI bots get better, less and less you will need a live person on the phone to solve your problem. 

OTOH, it is not going to take away jobs where you have to deeply problem solve. Many customer support questions are not common enough for AI to have 'learned' how to get to the solution in a reasonable time.

In essence, right now AI makes for more efficient pattern matching. It lets you Google better.

It can do repetitive things, like change every aspect of the video of person A and make it look like person B. High end find/replace basically.

Look for improvement in those areas as it develops more, but it does not actually think. 

It will improve some areas, which will cause some job loss, but we are not looking at huge changes.

IMO.








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I do see how AI will make lives better, but I also see some malicious uses for those.
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Posted by: Ihavenoname ®

10/07/2023, 02:22:13

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I heard one time that someone in college plagarized an essay (a big no-no in academia) using ChatGPT. Wow!









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which is why other AI can now detect AI use.
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Posted by: Robertb ®

10/08/2023, 20:16:48

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Probably we'll need to differentiate specific types of AI going forward.
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Posted by: LateForLunch ®

10/06/2023, 11:16:43

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The largest focus today generally seems to be on Generative AI because it has many immediate business/labor applications. 

Since intention-based AI programming itself is changing too fast to realistically assess possibility - what is possible is largely being set by courts on an "as-needed" basis. As problems arise, courts address them one-by-one in each context. 

In the recent H-Wood strike (guilds v studios) we saw the first shots in what will likely be a never-ending war over AI applications in regard to revenue-streams of creative products. What is possible now and increasingly will likely be defined not by science, but by law. 

The scope of AI (cybernetics) includes but is not limited to obtaining usable cognitive information with GAI. It's one of a fairly long list of applications of intention-based AI programming.  

Since all forms of AI programming are heavily-interrelated now, one might better demarcate the separate forms of AI by referring to the focus of the specific thing it's used for.

We're fast approaching (or have passed) the point where lawmakers and courts have the ready capability to sufficiently assess technical AI issues in order to adjudicate well. So new legal territory is being blazed every day defining what is possible for machines with courts floundering to find or set precedents that can survive change. 

Ultimately any discussion of economic impact of technology (including machine intelligence) will have to look at general issues of the Age. Since the mid 19th century, machines have generally increased productivity while lowering labor costs. So once again, technology will trim some types of jobs from the human labor market forever. Some of the required labor will transfer from humans doing the work directly, to humans  assisting machines to do work. So for every 10 or 100 jobs AI eats, it also creates one or two new jobs and adds some security to job-providing companies using GAI to compete in the free market. 

The greater discussion of the "direction" of AI will no doubt include how economics, scientific knowledge, creative enterprise, security, military/law enforcement, government and edumacation (sic) are administrated using machine workers instead of human workers.  

The private sector was the arena of this first skirmish in the battle to set limits of what is possible, and over who will harvest AI benefits (workers vs owners) but it will likely not be the last. 

The whole question of real-wealth-based economics vs. monetary-based economics looks at the long-term impact of machine-assisted efficiency/productivity increases. Unions/guilds are there to  look-out for the best interests of their constituents, but who looks out for the best interests of society?

 We have to rely on federal, state and local government to set legal parameters for what is permitted by AI. That is concerning because government is by nature often not very trustworthy, fair nor efficient. 








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I see a big struggle on both sides on this issue. I'm in favor of setting limits on the use of AI.
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Posted by: Ihavenoname ®

10/07/2023, 02:16:04

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I favor limits on human stupidity - however, I think both may be in vain.
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Posted by: LateForLunch ®

10/07/2023, 02:26:48

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BTW, anyone else read "Pattern Recognition" by William Gibson? His writing becomes more relevant/timely by the second.
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Posted by: LateForLunch ®

10/06/2023, 13:59:25

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The novel "Pattern Recognition" is set in the near future where a very adept, sensitive human being pits herself against an industry using AI selling mass-market products. She can with great accuracy identify whether or not specific symbols/ logos/art designs will or will not be successfully-received by target customers. Firms hire her to review their marketing graphics etc to tell them if they are going to help their advertising/brand identity or not. 

She gets involved in some consulting work that draws her into an Net chatroom that has a mysterious poster whom someone very wealthy will pay a lot of money to locate/identify. 

As usual there is a lot of side-plot involving interesting technical information and a side-detour into historical collectables (Gibson is comfortable with details). 

This is not a cyber-punk series novel. Gibson BTW, is the author whose work (Neuromancer etc.) inspired the Matrix films (even though he was uncredited). Gibson is light years ahead of many authors in his understanding of both computers/AI technology and the failings of the human condition. 

The only bad thing about his writing is that like Shakespeare,  it's painfully realistic about the incipient infamy of Humanity as an enduring condition. 

More and more, it seems that the world around us is gradually becoming something out of one of Gibson's nightmare visionary novels. Especially as relates to government/corporate consolidation into a savage, tyrannical Super-State. 

It's interesting that Gibson, R.Buckminster Fuller and Arthur Koestler all reached very similar conclusions about dysfunctional government being one of the most likely, worst symptoms of a sick (emotionally disturbed) population. 






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